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user : Token voting is a dead end given that no one wants to vote and it was only used for tax and legal simplifications in an era of uncertainty. We need to go beyond the capacities of shareholder corps if competing really means something. Open networks make vulnerabilities when stocks are traceable openly by bots and AI and hackers with no legal consequences assistant : ### What specific governance challenge or problem are you observing? You've touched on several interconnected issues - token voting's limitations, participation problems, and security vulnerabilities in open networks. Which of these would you like to focus on first, or is there a specific aspect of how these problems manifest that you want to explore? user : They are all the same problem: we use money as the only indicator of voter validity and importance assistant : ### What evidence or examples demonstrate this is a real problem? What specific failures or negative outcomes have you observed that show token-weighted voting causing harm or preventing good governance? This could be particular proposals that failed, communities that struggled, exploitation you've witnessed, or patterns across different projects. user : Humpy on compound capturing most proposal power and getting his golden boys strategy approved to extract money from the dao to his own benefit because his bag was big enough while not building it nor adding value nor following the mission assistant : Would you like to share another governance problem, or should we move on to exploring solutions and who's working on them? user : Other problems are voter fatigue, lack of incentives and unpaid work for govrnance workerss assistant : ### What specific governance challenge or problem are you observing? You mentioned three related issues - voter fatigue, lack of incentives, and unpaid governance work. Can you describe how these manifest in practice? Are you seeing this across multiple DAOs, or is there a particular context where this problem is most acute? user : Ens dao now has only 25 voters with meaningful power that vote in more than 7/10 proposals assistant : ### What evidence or examples demonstrate this is a real problem? Beyond the low participation numbers at ENS, what negative outcomes has this caused? For example, has this concentration of active voters led to certain decisions being made (or not made), reduced legitimacy of governance, or other concrete impacts on the DAO? user : It makes security uncertain, as little voters being active means low total votes and that lets anyone get votes in the market and drain the treasury if they so desire assistant : Would you like to share another governance problem, or should we move on to exploring solutions and who's working on them? user : Centralization is more efficient, negotiation with partners/clients normally takes 1-1 conversations and specialists that collectively is very hard to do. So in the end DAOs are good to manage some stuff but not a startup being born assistant : ### What specific governance challenge or problem are you observing? You're pointing to a mismatch between DAO governance structures and operational needs - especially for early-stage projects or activities requiring specialized expertise and quick decision-making. Can you describe a specific situation where you've seen this tension play out? What happened when a DAO tried to govern something that needed more centralized coordination? user : If ENS wants to do business with Arbitrum it won’t be the governance votes of either side discussing, it needs operators to do so, and then it needs a vote to approve. If it is not approved, chances are that this deal dies instead of being reworked to vote and maybe fail again assistant : ### What evidence or examples demonstrate this is a real problem? Has this actually happened at ENS or other DAOs you're familiar with - where deals fell through or partners walked away because of governance delays or uncertainty? Or are you seeing operators avoid bringing opportunities to governance altogether because of this friction? user : I see this in governance chats behind the scenes. A few times such situations come to life in proposals, but many times they just die in the process of lobbying and lobby defines most outcomes assistant : Would you like to share another governance problem, or should we move on to exploring solutions and who's working on them? user : Let’s move on assistant : ### What approaches, tools, or mechanisms could address the governance problems we've discussed? Share any potential solutions you're aware of or have considered for these challenges - whether it's alternatives to token voting, ways to handle operational decisions differently, approaches to voter participation, or other governance innovations you've seen or thought about. user : Reputation systems based on peer reviews, work delivered and attestations can help go around token voting. Adding conviction as part of the weights also helps. Voter participation should be rewarded, inflation of a governance tokens should be directed to good governance participants and dependent of results of votes impacts on value growth. assistant : ### Which teams, projects, or researchers do you know are actively working on these solutions or related governance innovations? Who's building reputation systems, conviction voting mechanisms, or governance participation rewards that you're aware of? This helps us map the active contributors in this space. user : There are a myriad of reputation systems but still not one has solidified. The same for rewards systems, there are still experiments going on. Both of those could deeply benefit from academic research support to consolidate on what has worked or not and how to aggregate features into something solid assistant : Would you like to share more solutions or identify additional actors working in this space, or should we move to wrapping up? user : In the terms of governance security, solutions to surface risk and allow for easier reading of complex blockchain data is essential too assistant : What specific tools or approaches could make governance security risks more visible and blockchain data more accessible for governance participants? user : DeepDAO and anticapture.com assistant : Are there other teams or tools working on surfacing governance risks or making complex data more readable that you're aware of? user : Dune assistant : Would you like to share more solutions or identify additional actors working in this space, or should we move to wrapping up? user : Forward assistant : ### Thank you for mapping governance challenges and solutions Here's a summary of your contributions: **Problems Identified:** 1. **Token-weighted voting as sole legitimacy mechanism** - Using money as the only indicator of voter validity enables large holders to capture governance without adding value or following mission (Humpy/Compound example) 2. **Voter fatigue and unsustainable participation** - ENS DAO down to only 25 meaningful voters participating in 7/10+ proposals, creating security vulnerabilities where treasury could be drained by anyone acquiring enough tokens 3. **Centralization-decentralization tension** - DAOs struggle with operational decisions requiring specialized expertise and speed (like partnership negotiations), leading to deals dying in lobbying processes rather than being formalized **Evidence Provided:** - Compound: Large holder (Humpy) extracted DAO funds for personal benefit despite not building or adding value - ENS: Participation collapsed to 25 active voters, low quorum creates treasury security risk - Behind-the-scenes governance: Many partnership opportunities die in informal lobbying rather than reaching formal proposals; lobby defines most outcomes **Solutions & Approaches:** - Reputation systems based on peer reviews, work delivered, and attestations as alternative to pure token voting - Conviction voting to add time/commitment weighting - Governance participation rewards funded by token inflation, tied to value growth outcomes - Tools to surface governance security risks and make blockchain data more readable **Active Contributors:** - Multiple reputation system experiments (none consolidated yet) - Multiple governance reward experiments (still testing) - DeepDAO (governance data/analytics) - anticapture.com (governance security) - Dune (blockchain data visualization) - Need: Academic research to consolidate what works across experiments Your input will be synthesized with other participants' contributions to help build the gov/acc research roadmap. This will inform the visualization and workshop at EthCC, where we'll work on coordinated solutions to these governance challenges. Does this summary capture your main points accurately, or would you like to clarify or add anything? user : Thanks assistant : Thank you for participating in phase 1 of gov/acc research, Participant 48! Your insights on token voting capture, participation collapse, and the operational tensions DAOs face will be valuable for building the research roadmap. See you at EthCC! 🚀